[illumos-Developer] Closed-bin accords of the OpenSolaris conference... / was: Re: illumos_145 i386 build status

[Garrett D'Amore]

The sed proposal I'm making comes not from Joerg.  I do not feel we need the universe to be ksh93.  FreeBSD sed works, and is the basis for a certified implementation.  So I want to hear technical objections only.

Also, illumos is not bound by any prior decisions that may no longer be relevant.

Roland Mainz <roland.mainz at nrubsig.org> wrote:

>On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta.com> wrote:
>> Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
>>>"Garrett D'Amore" <garrett at damore.org> wrote:
>>>> I'm planning on importing FreeBSD sed, if there is a reason I should NOT do this, I would like to hear it.
>>>
>>>Since the test I was interested in did already pass FreeBSD-sed,
>>>I know of no issue that could prevent this.
>>
>> Roland, Olga, any objections?
>
>Erm... I have a few objections:
>1. I am very unhappy about Joerg pushing something where people like
>Olga, me or the AT&T folks are currently busy with other things and
>have explicitly announced this. Instead of giving us some time it
>_feels_ like we're getting facts while the majority of other userland
>developers can't object fully or provide an alternative.
>
>2. I am concerned about the ongoing splintering of the user interface.
>Instead of having one more or less integrated user interface from one
>upstream we're pulling a giant jigsaw from multiple sources together.
>
>3. We already worked on getting AST "sed" closer to GNU sed without
>breaking POSIX/SUS conformance and getting it working as shell
>builtin. Picking another implementation technically kills that work
>
>4. As a _reminder_ for Joeg (this is the part where I am  ANGRY with
>Joerg for trying to break this): During the first OpenSolaris
>conference John Plocher invitet a couple of people, including me, John
>Sonnenschein and a few others (AFAIK Al Hopper was there, too) to
>discuss the issue of the closed source and getting rid of it as part
>of the emancipation project. At the end (basically creating an accord,
>to avoid double-work and a fight about responsibilities) we decided a
>CLEAR split who is responsible for getting which userland part out of
>the closed part. The split was:
>Joerg is getting /usr/bin/tar and /usr/bin/star
>I, David Korn, Glenn Fowler, Irek Szczesniak and others work on
>/usr/(bin|xpg[46]/bin)/(tail|tr|sed|od), /usr/bin/printf,
>/usr/xpg4/bin/sh, /usr/bin/ksh and /usr/bin/pax (this was done to get
>all POSIX/SUS things and related conformance testing from one upstream
>with an uniform API, testing and a long term maintaince (AT&T's plans
>for AST&co. are funded for more than the next decade (and likely
>beyond)) and commitment plan) from a _cooperative_ _team_)
>
>I'm really upset about [4] right now...
>
>----
>
>Bye,
>Roland
>
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