[illumos-Developer] Joerg, please be patient and fair (was: Re: Closed-bin accords of the OpenSolaris conference... / was: Re: illumos_145 i386 build status)

Tue Aug 10 08:47:09 PDT 2010

Rest assured that I understand Roland and Olga's position here.
Honestly, at this particular point in time, I think they should be
focusing on their new baby and their health concerns, rather than on
what may or may not be happening in this forum.

As I've said before, I will make what I feel are the right decisions for
the project. And those decisions need not be permanent. 

Right now, it would appear that the most expedient solution to the
problem of sed & tr is to lift the code from FreeBSD.  It may be that
once those programs have integrated, that there will be compelling
reasons to switch to AST based versions.  (Of course, if there are *not*
such compelling reasons, then it calls into question the motivation for
AST taking on the work in the first place.  So I'm assuming that the AST
team will have some compelling benefits to present for us once their
work is complete.)

So Olga/Roland, please don't assume there is pressure here for you to
work on anything.  Rather take what time you need to rest and
recuperate, and then we can examine what makes the most sense.

In the meantime I need to make the decisions that will most quickly
allow the project to move forward.  We need both sed and tr working to
meet our goal/requirement of having a self-hosting illumos.

	- Garrett

On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 19:36 +0200, I. Szczesniak wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Joerg Schilling
> <Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
> > "Garrett D'Amore" <garrett at nexenta.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > Did you ever think about asking the current OGB?
> >> > The OGB has the advantage of being an already elected committee.
> >>
> >> Yes, I considered that.  And rejected it.  The OGB is a 100% ineffectual
> >> committee.  I do not believe the problems with Oracle are wholly to
> >> blame here.  I have no desire to repeat the particular governance
> >> mistakes of OpenSolaris.  Again, the idea here is that the board is a
> >> meritocracy, not a popularity contest.
> >
> > I am a member of the current OGB and for this reason, I know that the OGB is
> > definitely not ineffectual but just suffers from Oracle's blocking strategy.
> >
> >> > If you are looking for people to contribute code, you need to give them a
> >> > chance to do so. From my current information you are currently the only person
> >> > to do this.
> >>
> >> Actually I'm not.  But I'm not going to leave the gate wide open either.
> >
> > Well, I don't know of any code that was added by someone else.
> > If there is such code, I would be interested to know.
> >
> >> So far I don't think I've received any code that is 100% ready to
> >> integrate yet from anyone else, except for some stuff that seems to be
> >> somewhat contentious (and is therefore not ready to integrate.)
> >>
> >> I'm trying to give preference right now to the critical code bits that
> >> help us eliminate critical closed deps.  So I need most urgently sed and
> >> tr.  (Especially tr.)
> >>
> >> If Roland can get his ksh93 derived tr ready in a workspace (without any
> >> other changes except adding tr), then I'll probably integrate that this
> >> week.
> >
> > I hope you remember that I reported a bug against ast-tr. I hope you understand
> > that we cannot replace tr by a program that does not currectly support something
> > obvious like:
> >
> >        tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]'
> >
> > Roland knows about the problem, but we don't have any comment from him on this
> > bug.
> 
> Joerg, I send this already privately to you but you did not respond.
> Roland Mainz and Olga Kryzhonovska have a new baby and did announce
> this to this forum.
> They are both unlikely to respond or defend their work in time.
> Comments like '... I send them an email and got no response, lets move
> my way...' are in the opinion of many people here NOT fair play in
> such a situation and only put undue pressure on people who are already
> busy with a major change in their life.
> 
> Irek
> 
> PS: Please read http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutterschutz
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: ken mays <maybird1776 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [illumos-Developer] Need short help with testing { sed,
> tr, pax } replacement binaries on  i386 ...
> To: developer at lists.illumos.org, Roland Mainz <roland.mainz at nrubsig.org>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 8/5/10, Roland Mainz <roland.mainz at nrubsig.org> wrote:
> 
> > From: Roland Mainz <roland.mainz at nrubsig.org>
> > Subject: [illumos-Developer] Need short help with testing { sed, tr, pax } replacement binaries on  i386 ...
> > To: developer at lists.illumos.org
> > Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 6:08 PM
> > Hi!
> >
> > ----
> >
> > I've uploaded a first _test_ version of the {
> > /usr/bin/sed,
> > /usr/xpg4/bin/sed, /usr/bin/tr and /usr/bin pax }
> > replacement binaries
> > for i386 to http://www.nrubsig.org/people/gisburn/work/solaris/illumos/posixcore20100701_i386_001.tar.bz2
> > It would be nice if someone could do some testing within
> > the next two
> > days (I can't right now (but I'd like to have some feedback
> > that I can
> > do bughunting in my spare time), we're busy with our 2nd
> > baby) with
> > the main focus whether "sed" and "tr" work without problems
> > when
> > building OS/Net ("pax" is secondary for now).
> 
> Roland,
> 
> Congrats on your 2nd baby! The binaries seem to work on my test system.
> Just need to change a few options for GNU compatibility.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> 
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