[illumos-Developer] ON is bloated and a bunch of stuff that doesn't need to be there should be ripped out (was Re: Heads up: perl 5.8.4 removal)

[Garrett D'Amore]

I tend to agree, but I think there are probably some additional
utilities (e.g. the basic POSIX tools) that really do belong in ON.

What I'd like to see eventually is a situation where someone could build
a "mini-distribution" of *just* illumos.  This would contain the
libraries and utilities that would get you to a reasonably functional
shell environment.

>From that you could add compilers and additional interpreters to build
more functional "real" distributions.

	- Garrett

On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 08:46 -0800, John Sonnenschein wrote:
> Personally (and I'm not speaking for anyone but myself) I think
> anything that isn't the kernel, libraries that trap into the kernel or
> basic system utilities don't belong in Illumos. 
> 
> What the BSDs put in "world" is a good set, though Illumos will
> necessarily be larger because our kernel does more stuff.
> 
> -JohnS
> 
> On 09/11/2010 8:20 AM, "Andrew M. Hettinger" <AHettinger at prominic.net>
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Andrew Hettinger
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> > 
> > 
> > Cedric Blancher <cedric.blancher at googlemail.com> wrote on 11/09/2010
> > 10:07:16 AM:
> > 
> >>
> >> On 9 November 2010 17:03, Garrett D'Amore wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 16:57 +0100, Cedric Blancher wrote:
> >> >> On 9 November 2010 16:20, John Sonnenschein wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Nov 9, 2010, at 1:41 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> John Sonnenschein wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> This is a heads-up mainly for distribution maintainers
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> with the putback of:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> 377 removal of perl 5.8.4
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Perl 5.8.4 and it's packages ( perl-584, perl-584/extras )
> >> are no longer being delivered. One important result of this is that
> >> the /usr/perl5/bin/perl and /usr/bin/perl is also not being
> delivered.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What porpose does this change have?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What problem does this change fix?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jörg
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ON is bloated and a bunch of stuff that doesn't need to be
> >> there should be ripped out and delivered by the distributions
> >> however they like.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there other stuff which you want to rip out?
> >> >
> >> > Yes!
> >> >
> >> > snmpdx (superseded by net-snmp), lpsched (superseded by cups).
> >> >
> >> > For a start. There are probably others, too.
> >> What are the others on your list?
> >>
> >> Ced
> >> --
> >> Cedric Blancher <cedric.blancher at googlemail.com>
> >> Institute Pasteur
> > 
> > I believe he was saying "I know of these two, there are probably
> more that
> > are still unknown."
> 
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