[illumos-Developer] Illumos Mono C# project - defining scope.

Wed Sep 8 21:35:08 PDT 2010

Okay, thanks for the IPS lead, I definitely do not want to recreate the wheel. Do you have a URL for that spec file?

I agree having out dated APR libraries can cause all sorts of bugs in applications that use them. They normally are really painful ones too because we tend to think the problem is in the new code just written within the respective application being developed not core libraries.  

I like to hope that most library updates are backward compatible in which case it is a matter of staying patched up. However, I realize this is not always the case; worst case scenario there could be multiple APRs targeted to resolve specific issues in various dependencies. 

Samuel 

On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriram at belenix.org> wrote:

> There is already a spec file for mono which generates IPS packages.
> You may want to consider using that as a starting point. In fact, this
> may even be part of the sfw sub-project started recently.
> 
> On Belenix, we've tried to maintain some level of compatibility
> between the system APR and the version of APR that KDE needs. Either
> Hajma from Korona or Moinak from Belenix would be able to provide more
> input on this. I mention this because APR versions and compatibility
> are important to may applications.
> 
> -- Sriram
> 
> On 9/9/10, Sriram Narayanan <sriram at belenix.org> wrote:
>> I think the JDk/JRE would be part of illumos based distros and not
>> part of illumos itself.
>> 
>> As a user, I'd run Java code on mono only when I'd need library
>> interop (like how we run JRuby code on the JVM and access Java
>> libraries). For non-interop scenarios, I'd use the JVM directly.
>> 
>> -- Ram
>> 
>> On 9/9/10, Samuel Younge <samuel.younge at 31415.org> wrote:
>>> Running through the JRE would be better since it most likely has a
>>> more current release version.
>>> I just mentioned it because many people do not know that Mono runs
>>> both .NET IL code and Java bytecode.
>>> I am sure Sun/Oracle JRE/JDK will be a part of Illumos as well.
>>> 
>>> Samuel
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wednesday 08/09/2010 at 12:54 pm, Gabriele Bulfon  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, my question is: why should I care running java bytecode through
>>>>> mono, when I have a jre?
>>>>> Do you mean that Solaris jre/jdk won't be part or compatible with
>>>>> IllumOS?
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>>>>> Oggetto: [illumos-Developer] Illumos Mono C# project - defining scope.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Okay, that sounds reasonable.
>>>>>> I will create a project that encapsulates maintaining the C# compiler,
>>>>>> Mono runtime, mod_mono; this is the core Mono system.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In order for it to work out the box for users (which is what I would
>>>>>> like to see) it requires some Apache2 integration and is also heavily
>>>>>> dependent on Apache's ARP-Util libraries.
>>>>>> I will incorporate them into the project's scope as well, unless
>>>>>> someone else is already supporting Apache on Illumos, if so please let
>>>>>> me know.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This integration will allow Illumos users to compile and execute Mono
>>>>>> (C#) console applications and web applications out the box.
>>>>>> The Mono runtime can execute Java bytecode as well, although not at
>>>>>> the latest release level of the Sun (Oracle) native JRE.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mono also has support for common libraries such as Gtk+, for building
>>>>>> Gnome window applications using C#, but this is an optional component.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will create the project on illumos.org after discussion about this
>>>>>> feature set has tapered off so all input can be considered.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Samuel
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wednesday 08/09/2010 at 6:01 am, Garrett D'Amore  wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't use C# or Mono.  But it would be good to have functional
>>>>>>> tools
>>>>>>> for people who do.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My take on this is that we need to make sure it works, and ideally
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> patches (if needed) submitted upstream.  It might be good to have a
>>>>>>> project with its own gate if significant work is required, so that
>>>>>>> others can contribute and also benefit from shared effort.  The
>>>>>>> ultimate
>>>>>>> goal should be to integrate source changes upstream, though.  (And
>>>>>>> having a binary piece that is in SFW or in a consolidation of its
>>>>>>> own.)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Garrett
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 01:05 -1000, Samuel Younge wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> It is good to see this community starting up!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would like to get involved with the Illumos developer community.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> am very technical so I do not mind getting my hands dirty.
>>>>>>>> Specifically, I would like to help with maintaining currency with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> latest releases of the Mono C# compiler, runtime, mod_mono and
>>>>>>>> Apache2.
>>>>>>>> I think it would be beneficial to Illumos if it had pre-compiled
>>>>>>>> working latest releases of Mono active and integrated into Illumos
>>>>>>>> releases.
>>>>>>>> If you are not familiar with Mono visit this link for a basic
>>>>>>>> overview: http://mono-project.com/What_is_Mono
>>>>>>>> Mono is open source and it various parts fall under GPL, LGPL 2.0,
>>>>>>>> MIT
>>>>>>>> X11, and Microsoft Permissive License.
>>>>>>>> I believe its licensing is compatible with the goals of Illumos, but
>>>>>>>> if there is disagreement on this I would be willing to start a new
>>>>>>>> Illumos branch under whatever licensing model is deemed fit.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> May you walk with God always,
>>>>>>>> Samuel
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 31415.org Pi - Simply a divine place to start.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
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