[illumos-Developer] ejecting the archivers from illumos-gate

[Sriram Narayanan]

For Belenix, we're likely to bundle all three (tar, gtar and star),
set one as the default (e.g. Star) and jot all this down in a readme
along with instructions on changing the defaults.

-- Sriram

On 11/30/10, Peter Tribble <peter.tribble at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta.com>
> wrote:
>> Whereas:
> ...
>> * tar is itself usually replaced by GNU tar or star in distributions,
>> and
>
> Huh? Augmented by gtar, often, but replaced?
>
>> I would hereby like to propose that we remove tar, pax, cpio, and even
>> rmt (which exists to support tar), from the illumos-gate consolidation.
>
> So where do they go?
>
>> I will not be putting up a replacement anywhere else, as selecting any
>> replacement has become unduly contentious.  Ultimately, this is a
>> distribution choice.  Of course, someone else is free to create a new
>> consolidation containing whichever of these he should happen to prefer.
>
> I don't think this is a distribution choice. I would expect the old Solaris
> tar
> to be present in any distribution. Which of the other alternative tars
> (and which
> version, compiled with which options) *is* the choice of a distribution.
>
> And generally I would expect to find tar as tar, gtar as gtar, and star as
> star
> on a system. (With the ability to select one as a default by means of an
> appropriately chosen  PATH.) I don't buy the argument that there has to be
> only one, and as gtar and star are developed elsewhere there doesn't seem
> to be a good argument to integrate those as replacements. (And it's this
> idea that we have to integrate replacements that seems to me to be a basic
> error in reasoning - we could just simply say that bikeshedding about a
> replacement is counterproductive, so we're going to stick with what we've
> already got.)
>
> You could turn this around: wait for an ecosystem of distributions to
> come into being, then see what choices they make. At least then you'll
> be able to make a decision based on actual data.
>
> I think you should be getting the idea that I'm not in favour of this
> approach.
>
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